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Sitting out the Culture War

Posted by Megan Dietz • Follow me on Twitter
Monday, April 28, 2008

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(image of 2004 election reflecting population, electoral votes, and the actual purpleness of the USA. from thelawleys via flickr.)

My fate as a future “liberal coastal elite” was sealed at age 15, when I sat down at my family’s dinner table and proudly declared that I was going to work for Michael Dukakis’s presidential campaign. My normal, Catholic, conservative parents reacted the way they always did when I said something wackily reminiscent of the 60s philosophies they’d grown up with but never espoused: my dad rolled his eyes, and my stepmom ignored me.

Not surprisingly, I left my hometown for college as fast as I could and pretty much never went back. I lived in big cities, fronted a band, worked for Ralph Nader, stopped eating meat. You know the type. And I’m the only one in my family who chose this kind of track. Home isn’t home to me anymore, and hasn’t been for a while. Over the years, my ideas changed to the point where it has become difficult for me to understand many members of my family at all, and I’m sure they think I’m an alien, too.

Where I see fascinating diversity, they see frightening differences. Small-town family-oriented life bores me to even think about, let alone live, but provides them nourishment and security. And, most divisively, where they see “fair and balanced” news coverage, I see a pile of bullshit so large and offensive it can probably be seen and smelled from space.

Clearly, these members of my family and I see the world through markedly different lenses. At this point, when we do talk (which isn’t often), it’s mostly about movies and TV shows, and even in that shallow arena, our opinions still differ. We don’t have much common ground left, even though we grew up together, running the same streets, sledding the same backyard tracks. Somewhere along the line, our ideas about the world we grew up in diverged, and we stayed up late on Thanksgivings and summer vacations fighting bitterly about religion and poverty and justice. Then as adults, we shied away from conversation for so long that we barely know each other anymore.

Now, here we are on opposite sides of a thick glass wall, regarding each other with a mixture of curiosity and revulsion. We, my family and I and most of America, in fact, are victims of the culture war, shell-shocked and deaf from listening to each other’s screaming.

What is the culture war and what does it have to do with the environment?

The American culture war is a 50-year-long death match still being fought between the opposite ends of the political spectrum. In one corner we have the people who believe that history books and TV news shows are basically telling the truth, and in the other are those who believe that rich white men have run the world for too long. Each side regards the other as the worst possible type of person, hell-bent on destroying America and lacking any redeeming qualities whatsoever. Both sides are guilty of fouling the personal and political environment in our country.

Ironically, the polarization between left and right brings out the worst stereotypical behavior in both groups. Liberal city-dwellers make condescending jokes about people who actually believe the Bible, while conservative suburbanites mock environmentalists for being wussies who won’t eat meat. None of it is pretty. More importantly, all of it is destructive.

I realize I’m speaking in huge generalizations here, and that most people lie somewhere between the extremes of traditional conservative and postmodern liberal. Which makes it even more galling that our country’s political conversations are set at such a shrill, divisive level. Especially when we have so many urgent problems to solve.

The sniping between left and right prevents us from having new and meaningful conversations about how to create a cleaner and more vibrant future. Fighting about age-old arguments is just another way to spin our wheels in the familiar. And as long as we stay stuck in this pattern, any sort of real change is impossible.

Listening instead of fighting

The question at this point is, how can reasonable people get beyond this rhetorical bloodletting? How can we quit fighting this unwinnable war?

For me, the first step is to come straight out and admit that, for all my self-righteousness, I am as confused as anyone. I work for a big corporation and also for a food co-op. I disdain Wal-Mart for its heartless, big-box tactics, but I still, inexplicably, love Target. The advances of Western society have made my privileged existence possible, and yet that very privileged heart also holds deep cynicism toward those achievements and the motives behind them.

From my vantage point inside postmodern liberalism, I am fully willing to admit that it is a mixed bag. For all the good things in it, like feminism, the Civil Rights movement, and rock’n'roll, it also holds a lot of messed up families, broken-down communities, and an insidious moral relativism that has disintegrated our sense of purpose on Earth.

Similarly, I know that many people with traditional morals are also held back by the limitations of what the culture war says conservatism is. Does believing in family and tradition mean it’s necessary to buy the whole Fox News, environmentalists-are-terrorists, homosexuals-want-to-make-us-all-gay package?

On both sides of the equation, it’s a conundrum to be sure. Both points of view have valid points and both are also full of crap. Neither side has a monopoly on The Truth. So why do we feel the need to pledge allegiance to one and fight the other to the death? A better option is to use the brains God (or whoever) gave us to cherry-pick the best parts of each, carry those into the future, and leave both the bitterness and the bad ideas behind.

For example, traditional values include a lot of useful things, like how to raise strong kids who know right from wrong, the value of community, and the power of pulling together toward a common goal.

And postmodernism includes some fine stuff, too: honoring the richness of diversity, respecting individuals’ personal perspectives, and expanding one’s circle of care to include the entire world.

These all seem like good, practical values, don’t they? Put them all together and it sounds to me like a viable recipe for tackling problems and designing solutions that serve the needs of lots of different kinds of people.

And this is exactly my hope, my call to action. I am laying down my arms in the culture war, and I want you to do the same. If we are successful, maybe we can harvest the wealth of all our different worldviews and come up with a new one that ties them all together. Maybe not. But we will never know unless we stop the sniping and give ourselves a chance to connect on a higher, more human level.

So, I hereby promise to stop the snark and start really listening to people who have different ideas, especially if I don’t agree with them. In this way, I hope in my own small way to rebuild the bridges that liberals and conservatives have stupidly blown up in this useless, protracted struggle, so we can work together and fix the mess we’ve made.

Will you join me in this effort?

Over the coming months, I will report back from the front lines of sitting out the culture war. Please write and let us know how your make-like-Switzerland action is going, too.

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(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  04/28  at  03:50 PM

This is the most interesting post yet! I am so much like you, and my family is so much like yours. I love the idea of actually LISTENING to what “the other side” has to say, discussing things, and maybe actually learning something!

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  04/29  at  01:37 PM

I read your post with interest.  My brother is on the extreme end of liberal and I am on the extreme end of conservative.  I wonder what you want to hear from the other side?  The places where we agree and disagree are so divergent as to make such conversation nigh on impossible.  I’ve recently had a conversation with my brother where we both let loose with the depths of our feelings and then decided to email about stuff instead.  But after I read his email I couldn’t even respond.  You have to have some commonality to communicate and we have so little as to make it laughable.  Even the very language he used served to make true communication impossible.  What is a “food unstable household”? Of course I know what it is on a basic an honest level.  It is a term that serves to promote an agenda to portray poverty occuring at a level that it is not occuring.  My brother and I are both compassionate and caring people who actively reach out to the poor or those in need.  Where I see people who are real people with real problems, mostly self-created and lend a helping hand.  He sees a vast nation of poor and oppressed people who can never climb out of their problems and demands a government in control that takes their freedom and feeds and clothes them.  There isn’t much room for conversation.  That is his reality.  What can I say to him as long as he can’t even see real people and admit what all us real people are?  human, fallible, blessed, and above all,,,,unlimited in opportunity so long as we have faith and good sense.  But hey at least he lends a helping hand at the soup kitchen anyway even if he does think of the people there as part of a mass of some charicatured, low life, helpless, poverty stricken and oppressed lower class.

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  04/29  at  02:06 PM

Hi Sheril,

First off, thank you for jumping into the conversation!

I totally get what you are saying about you and your brother’s different points of view. But I find a lot of hope in the fact that you guys both end up in the same place—helping others in need—even though you come at it from different directions.

Regardless of how you see the people who need help, the fact is you both see a problem and do what you can to address it. To me that is pretty amazing, and a great case in point for what I’m talking about above. And it’s EXACTLY what the world needs.

Even if we don’t agree on what caused problems, they still need to be solved. Some people still don’t believe climate change is caused by humanity, which I personally don’t really understand, but the environment could still use some help—species are dying, the air and water are polluted, etc. There are definitely problems that we can all agree need to be fixed (I think?)

You are right that the language we use to describe these things can be wildly different depending on what our political views are. For every “food unstable household” there is a “family values.” These are sticky issues to be sure, but I see no reason why we can’t be grown up about it and agree to disagree on certain things while still working together for a better future. We should feel free to roll our eyes, I think, so long as we are still rolling up our sleeves.

What are your thoughts?

Uli  on  04/29  at  07:46 PM

This is great and I can relate to every word you are saying - maybe each family has one odd-ball that goes ‘astray’? It can be a real challenge to hang in there, but I think your suggestion to listen is just right. The other day I found myself talking to a young man who turned out to be a pure Che Guevarian Marxist! I thought they had long died out! It’s the other end of the spectrum, but nevertheless. At that moment it helped to remember, what you are saying - bridging that gap is no small matter, but THE matter, that life circumstances are pushing us to now.
I actually went to a workshop on Spiral Dynamics and it was enlightening to see how people with different values have totally different approaches and words they would use in relationship to environmentalism. That for some the connection might be through the spirit of the land, for others the willingness to fight big corporations and be a hero (chaining oneself to trees etc)or the traditional values of being guardians of our (God-given) earth. Then there are the entrepeneurs who can be interested in new opportunities and technologies and the postmodernist, who is extending his circle of caring to the environment (after women’s rights. civil rights etc.) And then it’s up to us, like you said, to pull all this together. Here is an incredible article about Spiral Dymanics (http://www.wie.org/spiral/content/spiraldynamics.pdf)

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  04/29  at  11:18 PM

I get it on both sides. I have a sister who is on the very very far left and a father who is on the very very far right. I, like 99.99999% of the population fall somewhere in between them.

One thing that helps me talk to them is that we essentially all want the same thing, but we disagree about the best way of getting there. When that is acknowledged, it tends to kill the rhetoric. A common goal is a great place to start. My dad believes that the free market or private organiations are the best place to tackle those issues and my sister believes that the government is the best place to tackle those issues. That is the basis for a rational exchange of ideas. There probably are areas where the two just need to agree to disagree, but there’s no reason that can’t be done respectfully.

There are people on the fringe that can be hard to talk to, I’ll admit. There are people on both sides who see things so much through the lens of a single, compartmentalized issue that they really don’t care what happens to anyone or anything else as long as their issue is resolved to their satisfaction. Just as an example, there are people that really don’t give a rat’s behind how much people suffer for the sake of the environment. I’ve heard people say things about humanity being so stupid that none of us deserves to survive. Another example of a single-issue zealot is that minister who protests the funerals of murdered gays and fallen servicemen.

Right now I feel like we let these fringe-types dictate the conversation in this country even though most of us are somewhere in between. We can’t let the fact that there are difficult people out there keep us from having good, productive discussions.

I really think that the values I see as key to the environmental movement; conservation, efficient use of resources, health and safety, community and financial security to name a few are common to most people on either side of the political spectrum.

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/01  at  11:41 AM

Yes, we do come at things from different angles.  I understand that you sincerely believe that there is a human-caused problem with climate change and the environment.  I understand that you are so earnest in that belief that you may be befuddled by my disagreement with you.  But on the other hand, I am so tired of the vocal part of our society that pushes that view and claims the other side to be profoundly stupid (and anti-scholarly) not to see it that I just want to run screaming when I read that you are on the “man caused it” side of the issue.  I believe that man is far more inconsequential in the scheme of things than your view allows for and I also believe that God is in control and either it won’t destroy the earth or it will be when he decided it should be and we could no more stop him than the ancients could build a tower to reach to the sky.  So yes, we agree on some of what you suspected we would agree on such as that pollution is a problem, but not on all that you hoped we would agree on, such as species are dying, as an issue that we need to address. My reasoning for not wanting to personally pollute the world is that I believe we should be good stewards of what God has given to us. 

That is where the rhetoric often causes irritation.  Living in a world that has been becoming increasingly hostile and offensive towards my sincere beliefs, has led to a great deal of tension that I do not see that I can do much differently about except to keep trying to not get too stressed and keep on standing up for what I believe in,  regardless of the screeching liberals who intrude on my life, such as the woman in my food coop who wrote me not once but twice to tell me I was a hypocrite, such as the other mom at my son’s group therapy who was very impressed by the lies of Micheal Moore and wanted to discuss how evil people like me are since a movie maker can make it look like it is so, such as my brother who constantly worries about my children and makes comments to me and to others about it. You get the idea.  Anyway, obviously I’ve ranted a bit there, which wasn’t what I set out to do.  But for some reason I wanted to kind of explain what you already knew,  the frustrations on the other side are just as constant and difficult to deal with.  And yes, I will feel free to roll my eyes at my computer screen sometimes.  Good advice.  ;p

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/01  at  11:57 AM

If someone called me a hypocrite (and took the time to do it by writing to me!) and worried aloud at what I tell my kids, I would be upset, too ... And again, I thank you for staying with this conversation because I think it is definitely of value.

So, if we’re drawing diagrams on what we agree and disagree on, words and ideas we like and ones we don’t, there’s clearly a lot of stuff that doesn’t overlap. But—I am hoping we can find a way to focus on the stuff that DOES.

I want a clean world that operates in a way that supports *all life*. I think you do, too. Can we get beyond our frustrations and build that? Can you envision a way that could work? Can we crack jokes about how different we are and still pull together to make things better? I think we can, but what are your thoughts?

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/01  at  04:52 PM

I love this post, and am enjoying the conversation between its author and Sheril. Good stuff.

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/01  at  09:20 PM

Sheril, I think your examples hit at a big issue in the culture wars. Respect. The woman from the co-op, your brother and the woman at the therapy office need to learn the meaning of the word. You are absolutely right that the idea that just because you disagree with someone they are automatically stupid, evil, hypocritical or otherwise unsavoury is offensive and a huge barrier to actual conversation. It’s hard to want to engage in conversation when all it seems to accomplish is inviting personal attacks.

I’m guessing you are the Sheril I know from another board, is that right? If so it really bothers me that you have been so unfairly attacked. I know you to be a very thoughtful, reasoned, commited person. That your brother would bring your children into it seems like a below-the-belt hit. You are amazingly committed to those kids.


You guys bring up a good point about language. It used to be, at least it seems to me, that liberals and conservatives if nothing else at least shared a lot of terminology, which made things easier to discuss. These days even the words “liberal” and “conservative” mean different things to different people.

Also, it’s amazing how many prejudices pop into people’s heads when they hear words like that. Human beings really like to pidgeon-hole people. Instead of taking the time to actually get to know another person, their goals, their dreams, their values and their views we’d prefer to slap them with a label and essentially argue with a person who exists only in our imagination rather than the real, thinking human being who sits across from us.

(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address)  on  05/02  at  10:11 AM

Megan, I do think we can.  You, like a good friend I had in high school, seem to be a person who can really focus on the good side of things, in spite of our philosophical differences.  I love to see that!

I really appreciate you sticking with this as well.  I’ll be coming back to read what you have to say in the future.  And I can see that there will be lots of other interesting things to see here.  Maybe I can start composting again soon, with the inspiration that I’ve read here.

I came to see Stella’s article and look how much I’ve found!  Yes, Stella,  I’m fsm from the other board.  *laughs*  And thank-you for your compliments.  Your writing is a joy to read here as well as there.  And, by the way, my schedule seems to be clearing of some of the regular appointments we’ve had to keep for the last several months, so I’m anticipating having at least a little more r-n-r time that I can come and read and converse.  yay.

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